CMO ClubHouse Conversations with Dan Farrell of the St. Louis Cardinals

CMO ClubHouse Conversations with Dan Farrell of the St. Louis Cardinals on baseball, marketing, and changing the world for the better.

 

The person behind the brand

Dan Farrell

 

The CMO Club recently sat down with St. Louis Cardinals Senior Vice-President of Sales and Marketing, Dan Farrell. Dan has been with the Cardinals organization for over thirty-five years. He started as a promotions assistant and is currently leading a seventy-plus member staff over multiple departments including all marketing, ticket sales, corporate partnerships, broadcasting, team publications, and stadium entertainment. He serves as the primary club liaison with Major League Baseball on matters related to sales, marketing, television and radio broadcasting, as well as scheduling, including negotiating and managing all the team’s local media rights agreements. Dan is the father of three adult children and lives in St. Louis.

CMO Club‰ÛÓWhat‰Ûªs the best part of your job?

Dan Farrell‰ÛӉÛÏThe best part is that you can be a fan, live and die with the Cardinals, but when it‰Ûªs also your vocation, you get to feel great not only because of the win but because of the revenue you helped generate and contribute with that win. It‰Ûªs been a great ride.‰Û

CMO Club‰ÛÓYou‰Ûªve been with the organization for over thirty-five years, and I understand it was your first marketing job out of school. Can you remember anything about those first few years that you still find relevant today?

Dan Farrell‰ÛӉÛÏI met a great mentor very early on, a former Cardinal player named Joe Cunningham, who played with the team in the late fifties and early sixties, and later became the head of our sales department. He taught me the value of relationships, and that the most important role we have is to represent the team positively, create relationships with our fans that builds on that genuine connection we have, and never take that relationship for granted. We are the ‰ÛÏkeepers of the flame‰Û for the Cardinal legacy, and my job is to make sure that flame never goes out, one relationship at a time.”

CMO Club‰ÛÓIs there still that ‰ÛÏoh wow‰Û element after thirty-five years with the same brand?

Dan Farrell‰ÛӉÛÏI still get to meet so many different kinds of people in so many different industries being here every day, especially in my interactions with corporate clients. I think if you‰Ûªre the type of person who is always trying to grow and learn, you‰Ûªll always have the opportunity to build those meaningful relationships that can yield positive results. That‰Ûªs the part of my job I still like the best. People want to talk to you because you‰Ûªre with the Cardinals, but if you‰Ûªre good at what you do, you can turn those relationships around to find out more about what they do and how you can potentially find common ground to work together. It never gets old, feeling part of that for such a storied franchise and feeling like you‰Ûªve contributed.‰Û

CMO Club‰ÛÓOver those thirty-five years, what‰Ûªs the number-one thing that‰Ûªs changed in how you do your job?

Dan Farrell‰ÛӉÛÏThe biggest thing is the way we sell tickets. We used to have a fifty-thousand seat stadium with only three categories, pink tickets for the lower level, blue tickets for the mid-level, and green tickets for the upper level. You‰Ûªd pay the same price for a seat behind home plate as you would for a seat in right field. Ticketing now has become so sophisticated, in how we approach that part of the business, in all the digital ways we interact with our fans. That has changed everything we do but, at the end of the day, it‰Ûªs all still relationship-based, making people have fun at the ballpark.”

CMO Club‰ÛÓAlthough the game of baseball hasn‰Ûªt changed all that much, we know the attention spans and use of technology has. How has your marketing approach recently evolved to take this new dynamic into account?

Dan Farrell‰ÛӉÛÏOne of our more significant off-season projects this year was to re-configure a block of six seating sections in the upper deck in right field. We tore out over a thousand seats and redesigned the entire area to create standing room platforms and lounge seating areas for fans to gather in. It‰Ûªs been a great transformation for us, this festive, lively place that was traditionally a very low-yield seating location. By turning it into what‰Ûªs now become a popular, socially interactive party zone complete with music, food, technology, and baseball, free to ticketed fans with no special access required, we‰Ûªve transformed what was once a stagnant seating area into a wonderful interactive experience for our fans. We realized as time has gone on that people want to get out of their seats and socialize, which was impossible sitting in a row of sixteen seats across. It‰Ûªs a fan amenity that‰Ûªs been a big hit.”

CMO Club‰ÛÓWhat characteristics do you value most in new hires?

Dan Farrell‰ÛӉÛÏA relationship person. I look for someone who is a great communicator, a great listener, a kind and thoughtful person that cares deeply about building relationships. Don‰Ûªt say you want to work here because you love baseball. That doesn‰Ûªt distinguish you from tens of millions of other people. I like to hear you‰Ûªd like to SELL the St. Louis Cardinals, represent them, build relationships that will yield positive results for the team. That‰Ûªs the kind of person I look to hire. It has to be genuine.”

CMO Club‰ÛÓIf you could go back to those early years and give yourself a piece of advice as to what‰Ûªs ahead, what would you say?

Dan Farrell‰ÛӉÛÏI wish I had learned to type better.” (Laughter)

CMO Club‰ÛÓTwo-finger man, are you?

Dan Farrell‰ÛӉÛÏAbsolutely.‰Û On a serious note, I probably would have used some of that time to get an advanced degree. I think I may have benefitted from that, having a little more finance and business-specific degree track. That‰Ûªs a very valuable skill-set for any senior manager.”

CMO Club‰ÛÓAnything surprise you recently?

Dan Farrell‰ÛӉÛÏOne of the things that I find surprising is how much our industry is changing, the way consumers interact with our product. For someone who unabashedly admits to being ‰ÛÏold school,‰Û and not very ‰ÛÏtech-savvy,‰Û or ‰ÛÏnew-media savvy,‰Û it‰Ûªs just stunning to me the amount of interaction our fans have with all the new media. I sometimes feel as though I‰Ûªm barely hanging on by my fingernails because I‰Ûªm not a consumer of those sources. It‰Ûªs overwhelming, the power some of these tools have.”

CMO Club‰ÛÓIs it sometimes a battle between the ‰ÛÏold school‰Û handshake relationship in your marketing philosophy versus the new technology methods of social media, algorithms, and big data?

Dan Farrell‰ÛӉÛÏI would never overlook one for the other. You have to use every one of those resources and trust that all of them are going to be effective. I do think some people might rely on data and tech more than they should. Getting out of your chair and meeting face-to-face is a lot more effective in many cases, but not always. It amazes me how measurable all that data is. That‰Ûªs the exciting part for me, to use that knowledge to better the brand. I‰Ûªm not one to be ‰ÛÏdug-in,‰Û to say that this or that way is the only way to go, that the old-school relationships are the only way, but I try and make sure that we don‰Ûªt forget about that. You have to adapt to the changes.”

CMO Club‰ÛÓWhat are you most passionate about outside of work?

Dan Farrell‰ÛӉÛÏI‰Ûªm a huge thoroughbred horse-racing fan. I had an Uncle named Jim McCulley, who covered horse racing for the New York Daily News for many years. I grew up going to the track with him, watching the likes of Secretariat and Seattle Slew, all those great horses up close, and I was hooked and still am, enjoying handicapping of the higher-quality races to this day.”

Dan and his daughter, Erin at Keeneland Racetrack in Lexington, Kentucky.
Dan and his daughter, Erin at Keeneland Racetrack in Lexington, Kentucky.

CMO Club‰ÛÓIs there anything else you can share with the club that most people don‰Ûªt know about you?

Dan Farrell‰ÛӉÛÏAh, yes, my ‰ÛÏMoonlight Graham‰Û moment. I was sitting in front row of the stadium, entertaining clients on the first-base line, when a towering foul ball hit by one of the Red Sox players started to come down toward my seat, pointed directly at my head. The last thing I want to do is catch a foul ball, so I‰Ûªm desperately trying to get out of the way, but the crowd is coming closer and closer, and I‰Ûªm locked in there, unable to move, directly under the path of the ball. I put my hands up to protect my head, and the ball hits me. The next thing I know, Albert Pujols, our first baseman, is reaching out and the ball, which had just hit me, lands inside his glove. I look down, and there‰Ûªs this big smudge mark on my shoulder from where the ball hit me and then ricocheted into his glove. The umpire calls the batter out, and the coach of the other team is screaming at the umpire and pointing over to me. I‰Ûªve got my Cardinals badge on, and I‰Ûªm quietly trying to take it off and put it in my pocket before anyone sees. Pujols is already sitting in the dugout, and my cell phone starts going off with friends calling to tell me that I‰Ûªm on replay on television, a hundred times, the ball hitting me in the shoulder and into his glove plain as day. I‰Ûªm finally able to get out of there, but our P.R. department is calling me with requests from Boston reporters for an interview on what just happened, and all I want to do is hide and change shirts.”

CMO Club-Wow, what a great story. Was the batter out, then? Did it hold up?

Dan Farrell‰ÛӉÛÏYes it did. I have a major League assist! It‰Ûªs my infamous ‰ÛÏMoonlight Graham‰Û moment, my small part of a Major League game that will forever go unreported.” (laughter)

CMO Club–Any favorite moments from the CMO Club you would like to share?

Dan Farrell–“I love being at the summits with so many innovative and creative people all around you. It’s a great experience.”

CMO Club‰ÛÓLast Question. Can A CMO like yourself change the world for the better?

Dan Farrell‰ÛӉÛÏSure. If you‰Ûªve got a product that people love and use, that improves their lives, whether from the use of that product, or the entertainment from that product, and you help to create that enjoyment, you‰Ûªve changed the world. I‰Ûªm very proud that we bring Cardinal baseball to so many fans, that so many fans love Cardinal baseball, that for the past thirty-plus years we‰Ûªve drawn three-and-a-half million fans every year, allowing fans to enjoy our product the way they do. CMO‰Ûªs are always bringing something positive to the world.”